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Subject: Stars for sound quality.
As longnstrange points out below, the stars system is meant to gauge sound quality, and here it is top-notch. Five stars for Charlie for bringing this to in crystal-clear form, so we can see 27 years later just how crappy a Grateful Dead concert could be, to the point of being painful. I knew there were some clunkers out there, and have even attended a few. The sound quality and transfer are perfect. God bless ya, Charlie. We love you and all you do.
Subject: pound sand
Go pound sand if you don't think they at least played a rippin' Jack Straw to close the first set.
Subject: My rating won't alter the average.
I'm kind of surprised, because usually I'm fairly critical, definitely not one to say the Grateful Dead can do no wrong. I didn't think it was a BAD show at all, especially the first set. Garcia is dragging his feet and they sound like they need practice in the second, but I've heard way worse and seen worse rated way higher. A lot of magic moments, actually. I'm listening to one now, end of Eyes. Nice guitar and everything. Just not the most solid show.
So the Dead do a sloppy but spirited version of a Beatles song which they only performed once ever. I thought that was part of what made them so endearing.
Subject: The Chipmunks sing the Beatles!
I listened to a bit of this show out of curiosity; It is, after all, regarded as one of the worst ever. I couldn't get through all of it but that Get Back is hilarious in a Schadenfreude sense. I actually laughed out loud. The Around->Sugar Mag is cringe-inducing. I just can't give a show one star so I'll justify the second star by saying the playing wasn't all bad.
Subject: a GooD show
gee, i sure would have enjoyed this show; yeah, the high vocal effect is a bit tough to chew, but the novelty of the effort on the song overcomes the strangeness of the sound, and hey,
ain't it supposed to be a bit strange?
i enjoyed listening to those words that Jerry could remember, and i haven't heard much to compare on any level with what was achieved live...this was the height of polish i say, and i dug the jam outta drums, no space, where did it go?
Sound is great, but the show is not. Black Muddy River is so bad that it's unlistenable. Sounds like Jerry is drunk--forgetting words, slurring his speech. Terrible.
Subject: A trainwreck? Well maybe a fender bender
Vocally this show is atrocious, no doubt. The Bird Song is pretty dire as is of course Get Back, youch! Actually every song is pretty bad vocally and Healy's sound effects don't help matters. The band was right to fire that clown. But instrumentally this show is passable. The jamming and playing is, if not spectacular, fairly creative. So I give this show a kind two.
If you really want to hear something truly awful check out the Boreal Ridge Ski Resort show on 08/24/85 or my vote for worst all-time show: Campolindo High School on 05/16/69.
Subject: USE STARS FOR RECORDING QUALITY
This is a GREAT RECORDING. Is this a crappy show? maybe. Could Bobby EVER carry a tune? maybe not. The deal is, you can debate these things because the RECORDING is great. Yuk, actually to this performance, but what the hell?! this is one of the clearest tapes around. Five stars for the most acurate reproduction of a clunker ever made.
can carry a tune i been hearing him do it for years,good show,good sound quality
Subject: Trainwreck plain and simple
bless their hearts.
Subject: Yep, it's that bad
So I've been on a hunt lately for the worst shows ever played. Everyone has their favorites, but this one sure does come up a lot. It's a fun listen for the horrific novelty of the Get Back, but believe the naysayers - this is one really awful trainwreck of a show. If you're not convinced, just listen to the Around 'n Around. That is a truly painful listen. But it does get bumped up to 2 stars for the Get Back.
Dylan M -
Subject: Why all the negativity?
So Bob fucked up their only version of 'Get Back', one: who cares? two: atleast their trying a new Beatles cover, and mixing up the setlists. It's never enough for "nit-pick" heads. When the setlists are normal, it's too boring for them, if they try something new, they didn't do it well enough. Look at the setlist and (especially 2nd set) you'll find its a standout song arrangement for 87'.
First of all, more Jerry than Bob songs
6 Jerry songs, 4 Bob Songs
Next, a post-drums Eyes, quite a rarity. Even if it is short. AND five songs before the drumz segment. I think this is an overlooked show, atleast setlist wise.
Keep complaining, your on the archive for a reason. No one cares.
Burnt Rich -
One quote. "Statements just seem vain at last." I ran into New Years 1985 the other day where you were upset with my rating for that show. We are the only two reviewers on the show and your review is basically about how my review just can't be "correct" in your mind's eye. Well, screw off! Then we have the the October 1980 shows where you lambast and dis every show they play except one--that of course you recommend as the only acoustic show they played that month that is worth your time. I just cringe every time I see that you added the same review to every show in the whole month!!! Every show!! Your reality is not mine or anybody else's. We may have all shared some experiences, but trying to one-up your fellow Heads is just tacky and tasteless, Dude. Your "rule" of no attendance-no review allowed is all the evidence we need as to your genuine nature.
Subject: Get Back
As far as playing the tune this is not bad, but it is clear that Weir cannot sing this tune in the key that they are playing it. His voice is reaching for the high notes and he just doesn't get them. It makes the whole song sound like a bad garage band playing.
Subject: GD Downtown SF hardcore
The long winded guy is a poser. This show is by no means polished but it well makes up for it with a interesting flair and originality. How can you even suggest any sort of comparison to a 70's or even early 80's show? This is or was a fresh new approach to the same old songs very unique. It's one of my faves. And San Diego geek yeah I was there and I remember it distinctly, you just don't forget. Not bragging or anything but 211 shows still makes you a newbie.
Subject: Agreeing & disagreeing forgettable, but I was there!
Where to start? I was there but it was so forgettable that I had to use several means of deductive reasoning (since most of my analog tapes are either in storage or for some of these middle period shows are missing from my collection of the ~211 attended shows) to determine that among these Chinese New Year's (Gung Ho Fat Choy) and the following shows at Mardi Gras, if I wasn't not confusing with the previous and subsequent years as to whether I was actually there or not? Well I'm sure I was, but it is very strange to me that I can hardly remember "Get Back" since not only will something rare make me appreciate the show! So much so, that much later when I was trying to quit seeing Grateful Dead because they were so stubborn in refusing to play anything but the same stuff until eventually they started to diversify more (even though when one compares to like Pink Floyd for example, who mostly played the exact same songs at most every show, Grateful Dead were very diverse.) I very clearly remember when they played "Revolution" at one of those before New Year's (I believe I have to check the date?) shows at the Civic in 83? And upon listening to this, albeit perhaps a bit "harsh" vocally as some of you folks said (perhaps the key?) I thought the "Get Back" alone was pretty good especially Brent on keyboards. But I do commend the few of you who were actually there, since not only do I rarely ever review a show that I wasn't actually at, unlike these ignorant jokers who not only weren't there but no matter what they do is wonderful! So in my humble opinion it wasn't "Get Back" that was so bad about his show rather, mostly the very numerous lyric flubs in many tunes and also the extremely boring short second set song list, even though Olatunji was there!
Now I have been known for two things, one back during the shows themselves, to be a very harsh critic yet I distinctly remember one time after a Greek show telling someone who was hard on me for being so, of how I could so greatly acknowledge how absolutely amazing that particular show was, so in this sense it is great to see that some others can see that sometimes the band can suck! On the other hand, I agree with that guy (in principle) who was saying something about how Grateful Dead weren't perfect when we say them! (The way I describe this same concept is as follows) unlike a band like for example again Pink Floyd, E.L.P., or Genesis that is, when one would see them live (all of which I did several times each) that even though they did do some improvisation they were so structured that if they made a mistake one would be hard pressed to notice it, and yet even though Grateful Dead often made mistakes they took the risk such that when it was magic it really was magic, if nowhere else nightly in the Percussion and Improvisation (which as I've said elsewhere I refuse to call "Space" since there is no air in space) sections!
Secondly, I've also been known to inject from time to time my personal experiences, but unlike some folks here I try to use them in a limited sort of way that has some direct bearing on something about the show in question like historical context or as I do here in relation to other shows I've seen; so in this light as I said above if something slightly unusual happened I usually remember it, be it a song or a guest or something else, so again it is surprising to me that I can hardly remember Olatunji being there? I do remember that I'd seen him more than once with Grateful Dead and this must have been it since I remember for obvious reasons most distinctly, when I saw him open at the New Year's 91-92 show since I had a backstage pass and since he was blind when I was walking along with him and his guide when he was talking to me he held my hand! Nevertheless, I pretty well remember most if not all the times I saw other such guests such as Airto (and sometimes) Flora Purim, Branford Marsalis etc., since not to brag, but I saw nearly every appearance that each of these artists guested with Grateful Dead!
Furthermore, I not only firmly agree (even though I wasn't there) that 73-11-11 was one of the all time absolute greatest shows ever, but for those with all due respect, gel brains that think some of these performances were so terrific like with "Fernario" (I mean I had to listen to this Fernario over and over again and it still did nothing for me) for example I would kindly and strongly urge them to check out for example 77-6-4 (even though the guy said "in this decade"). Moreover, similarly for "Row Jimmy" 79-12-28 (and for the entire show of 79-12-28 as well) or in the case of "Shakedown Street" how about 79-11-25 or numerous others like perhaps 81-9-12 (and again this entire show)!
I hate to be a know it all but trust me I do know what I'm talking about even when it comes to shows like this one for which I can hardly remember! So if it wasn't for my enjoying "Get Back" that I can't give this a 1, thus a 2!
scum beat -
A serious frog got into Jerry's throat at the beginning of Eyes. Sounds like he cracks up because of it. Not a bad listen, certainly for the era. I liked the first set better than the second. They've forgotten most of the words to their songs by now, but -- really, who cares --we know them. It's all good.
Subject: Thank you Charlie!
My bumoer sticker used to say Thank you Jerry.
Now it says Thank you Charlie!
I think you deserve the credit for these delicious remasters
Subject: "Dan Helium" strikes again!